Matt Higa is the man behind ‘The Top 62 Women In Aviation & Aerospace To Follow On LinkedIn List.’ In this podcast you’ll get to hear more about the man behind the list, his reasons for creating the list, his plan to get an all-female crew to Mars, and how managing mindset is critical to meeting big, audacious goals.

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Managing Mindset To Drive Change, With Matt Higa


Welcome back, Leading Ladies Of… and male allies. We are here for another exciting episode of the Leading Ladies Of… podcast. And today, we have one of our first few male guests joining us, Matt Higa, the founder of Pineapple EMPIRE. Pineapple EMPIRE is a stealth mode, disruptive frontier and deep tech space startup whose mission is to accelerate the world’s transition to the new space economy. However, many of our listeners might recognize Matt, as the leading male ally, in pulling together the top women in aviation and aerospace to follow on LinkedIn list. So welcome, Matt.

Thank you! It’s an honor and privilege to be on your podcast here. My first podcast ever, technically, unless you count one or two clips I did when I was 12. On my first iMac, so it’s a great honor to be here.

Oh, wonderful. Well, we promise to take good care of you. We’ll go easy on you.

Wonderful. I appreciate it.

If you listen to our previous podcast Matt, which I know you have; you loved Rachel’s podcast, you were telling me about that. So, Rachel, if you’re listening, your imposter syndrome podcast he loved it you’ll know that my first question is, what are your thoughts on the glass ceiling? Does it still exist?

Absolutely. 100%. Totally, it’s definitely there. I mean, we hear about it all the time in the pay gap. And I think more importantly, where I relate to a lot more recently is just not being heard, or not having the seats at the table, or not being validated that I’m not. I’m still exploring mine. It’s just coming to my view recently. So I’m exploring a lot of my different vanities and things that affect me and becoming aware of these things. But I can just definitely say they totally exist. It’s there, for sure.

And so how have you observed it with women in the workplace and women that have come into your sphere of influence?

So, I’ve only just started really looking out for it specifically in the workplace. And I’ve only just recently got into positions where that sort of thing is the more common. Where all the stories happen in a corporate setting, basically, I’ve been in a startup or independent background working in, you know, and non-corporate jobs and not really seeing it, specifically there. But, I have noticed.

There was this one time I was in this retail startup on the floor. And it was just a retail position. But I did find out later on that I was making more than people and women who had been there longer than I had. I mean, and it’s on the retail floor. So it wasn’t even a corporate environment, which kind of shocked me.

So I mean, first of all, just that one there, and then it’s the other ones are harder to pin down, especially in those like lower more entry level positions, where nobody’s really getting a seat at the table and nobody is you know, really technically being hurt. So it’s one thing to say like, whether it’s just affecting them specifically or affecting others. But you know, if I dug back, or if I was more aware of the time, maybe I would receive maybe men in the workplace, getting more opportunities to take on more responsibility. But that’s kind of what I observed so far.

Interesting. For me, I noticed that a lot of people out there think that, oh, it’s great. Now, women are doing well in the workplace, everything’s equal. And I hear so many stories from men and women where there’s still a lot of work that we all need to do. So I appreciate you being part of that journey. Now, we know that you are from, you know, mixed heritage. And so I’m very curious if you would be willing to share a little bit more about that with us. And if you think that in some ways this may have contributed to your glass ceiling.

Again, absolutely, for sure. I’m the son of one of the first women journeyman carpenter in the US. She’s white, basically, she’s German, Irish. So I get 50% of my background from that. But I’m also a son of a United Airlines mechanic, my dad is Okinawan and Hungarian, and he’s second generation born in Hawaii. I was also born in Hawaii as well. So that’s where I kind of get that background as well. And I’m doing the background behind you, I see. And the background behind me as well, I keep that up there. And the whole Pineapple EMPIRE thing, it all kind of ties in and fuses together, it’s a part of the plan. Basically,

For those of you that I joined in audio-only, Matt has a really, really cool background of all these tropical flowers and stuff that you know, represents his Hawaiian heritage. It’s pretty cool.

Thank you. Yeah, no, I’m, I’m a big fan of it, I love all the plants and the organic, natural aesthetic. And it reminds me of home because I don’t get back there often. So I definitely know, it has contributed a lot. I mean, I’ve grown up a lot, around a lot of strong, independent women, my mom for one, and I have an older half sister as well from, you know, a previous marriage that she had. She was young when she had my older sister as well. And then my older sister has been on her own journey. She’s also independent. My aunt, I also have to credit, has been there with me the whole time, she’s on my dad’s side. Both sides have strong women with a strong presence in my life.

I think my mother’s story, you know, being one of the first women journeymen carpenters in the US  becoming a bigger story and playing more into the things I think about, I’m like, Oh, that was really cool. And that does make sense for the background. But then the whole mixed-race thing. I straddle a couple of different worlds. And I’m part of mixed-race communities especially like the Asian and white mixes have a special for it on the islands we’re called Hapas, Hapas. And really, almost neither group kind of takes you in, you know, they both accept you a little bit, but you’re not a part of either group. So I wouldn’t call it a glass ceiling necessarily, but there’s like these very, like thin glass barriers on each group.

So, so being mixed race, you do get some experience of obstacles that you might not face otherwise.

Totally, totally. It’s kind of being allowed to maybe like hang out, but actually be a part of a discussion or maybe even sometimes not hanging out like we can be acquaintances, but I’m not part of the actual in-group.

Yeah. Yeah, I’ve heard that before from other friends of mine that are mixed race. It’s a, it’s a very interesting dilemma. Thank you for sharing that. I really appreciate you going there.

Yeah, thank you. Thank you for asking. It’s something that I’ve been exploring a lot.

Yeah. And do you think perhaps those experiences help you with your compassion for some of the challenges that women in male dominated industries face?

Yeah, I definitely think so.  Because you have that experience, you can actually have empathy for it. So it’s deeper than just sympathy or an awareness or an understanding that on a theoretical or philosophical level exists, where maybe I haven’t heard and I’m only becoming aware of it now. Maybe I haven’t specifically felt that glass ceiling, but starting to feel now that I am in that corporate environment. Alright, we’ve gotta break through this thing. This is just silly. So it does give me those experiences to draw on.

Yeah. Well, based on my experience of you, Matt, I imagine the glass ceilings have been there, it’s shaping so determined to smash through them, you’ve perhaps not noticed them. And that’s where we’re going to come back to the topic of mindset a little later.

But before we dive into the topic of mindset, I am dying to know where the inspiration came from, for you to create the top women in aviation and aerospace to follow on LinkedIn left.

Well, as you started talking to me a little bit more and more now, I think you’re beginning to see where some of those are coming from. And I think not even everybody who does know me, maybe doesn’t know I’m quite so obsessed with it, but I’m just trying to get to space.

The mission of Pineapple EMPIRE is to accelerate the world’s transition to a new space economy. So we started rolling out. This is actually the second list that we’ve done. And the first one was such a success. And I saw so many cool engagements and interactions. We did it with my University Alumni; was the first list I did back in December. And just the amazing value that it provided to the community, I kind of got hooked on it. And I’m like, Okay, oh, we’re gonna do another one.

But why top women rather than top people?

So I have been thinking about this question a lot, because it naturally came to me and intuitively came to me. Aerospace was easy, because it’s adjacent to the space field. That’s our foot in the door, you know, I might be the son of an airline mechanic, but I haven’t actually been in the industry. And I got nothing there. And let’s build out the network. And if we’re going to build out the network, who will make sense?

For women, though, the choice I think comes down to, I mean, my world is just saturated with so many exemplary incredible women. No offense to all my guy friends out there, but my women friends are so incredible, and so amazing. They’re just a little bit better than us in a lot of ways, I take a lot of inspiration, plus my background with my mom, and my aunt and it is 2021.

And I think, you know, the news and social media is saturated with a call out for allies, and helping out and from a selfish self-first principles perspective of trying to get to space and accelerate that mission. I also looked at it as well, I mean, that’s like 50% of the population, like if we’re, you know, gona hit a lot of people, then that’s a group that is looking for help, you know, calling out for that.

Really what I’ve also gotten to learn, and specifically within that industry where it is very male dominated. So I just kind of saw, yeah, a lot of mutual synergies. I think maybe you’ll appreciate this term. I’ve learned from somebody else that I was networking with last year. I’m looking for mutual hell yes-ness. And, aerospace, also thinking about people I want to work with, that just came on was like, Yeah, I want to work with badass ladies of aerospace and aviation, why not? Who wouldn’t? You know?

I love that. I love it. And for those of you that aren’t yet connected with me on LinkedIn, my title is chief badass officer. It started off as a bit of fun, but it’s really taken off. So I, have you met other chief badass officers? Not by title, or by just my behavior?

By behavior? Yeah, no, I know a lot of badasses.

There’s a lot more than they realize there’s so many badass women out there that don’t even realize they’re badass. And so Leading Ladies Of… is on a mission to make sure that women own that part of them. Because I think there’s so many amazing women out there that are making a big difference.

And I really like what you said about the link to the space economy. 50% of the population is female. And one of the things that I have had a few discussions with people about is around new technologies.

I was talking with a friend who works for a UAS company. And she was saying it’s different here. Because we are new companies, we’re not, we don’t have the 100 year heritage that a lot of these aerospace companies have. So the traditions, the cultural norms that have evolved in traditional aerospace, don’t necessarily exist in some of these emerging technologies. And so I do agree that in space UAS, you know, vertical left all these, you know, electric airplanes, I think there’s a real opportunity to challenge the status quo. So I commend you for taking extra steps to be a part of that.

Thank you, and I so agree, and that’s also part of why I wanted to get involved in this. There’s so much opportunity out there and for no, particularly glass ceilings, and especially with space, it just seems like there’s just a big great argument for there not being any glass ceilings. It’s space.

Whole-heartedly agree. So Matt, when you aren’t creating lists of amazing women for us all to celebrate? What do you do? Who is Matt Higa?

Oh, yeah, there’s a lot of different answers that one, a little bit of everything. My new favorite phrase is a jack of all trades, master of some and mastering more, day by day. So generally, every day I wake up and I play a little bit of chess that’s, that’s kind of my game is, I play a lot of chess, I’ve got another glass ceiling, I’m trying to smash through there. I’m trying to become i don’t know why I set these goals for myself, but I’m trying to become World Champion within the next 10 to 20 years.

You know, it becomes, you know, the more I look into it, the more feasible space looks. It’s just like maybe I’ll get to space. But maybe I won’t become world champion in chess, that one’s a tough one. So I’ll do that a lot. But I have a full-time job besides Pineapple EMPIRE, where I do work at Tesla full time, 40 hours a week, over there on their platform. I can’t really say too much they have me on a lot of NDA’s.

So you know, one of the few things I can say is that I’m an advisor over at Tesla, I’m helping them improve their systems and creating processes and helping them accelerate the world’s transition to sustainable energy. So what I’m not accelerating the transition to the new space economy, I’m helping transition the world to sustainable energy, which also feeds into that ultimate goal there as well as the space economy.

So I kind of see that as one in the same I play bunch a rocket league, if anybody’s familiar out there. I love that game. Let’s play that one as well. But I have a dog as well. We go on walks, and I just tried to meditate, do some yoga, stay fit? I do Spartan races, I’m training for a 30 mile 60 obstacle race in September in Tahoe.

Do you ever sleep?

Less and less? Last night, I was up till 3am just working on things. And it’s just so hard to stop sometimes. But I do. I do sleep that is I haven’t found a cure for that one yet. But I was no one you do. Cuz I would love to know.

So tell me a little bit more about Pineapple EMPIRE? What is a deep tech space startup?

Yeah, no, that’s a great question. And I have one that I posed myself every day. I guess the deep tech. I mean, we’ve talked about the space part, and no one’s kind of obvious, or maybe not necessarily so obvious. if we go back to the origin story of everything beyond, you know, after, you know, being raised by, you know, my parents, and there’s trauma in my life, and just everybody who brought me up. It does come from a childhood goal.

And this is why I loved Rachel’s podcast so much, just so much. When it hit me. They’re like, I like, Okay, this person is me, it was so weird to hear her voice be almost literally the voice in my head saying the same things. It comes from an original desire to take over the world, which hasn’t completely gone away. So in a way, Pineapple EMPIRE and the whole empire thing kind of continues that. Except for much less don’t necessarily want to be in control of the world as much anymore. So it’s kind of taking a different route.

So I’m kind of looking into the space colony area, sort of things I’ve mentioned before, and I’ve started again, big, audacious goals. And I just have an unnaturally masochistic, I guess, like, ambition, where I just see a goal. And finally, like, How I Met Your Mother fans out there, I think his name is Barney Stinson the character over there. And he’s not. He’s in that character. And it didn’t really age well for the modern age with feminism and everything. But it’s challenge accepted. So I just see something in my brain goes, Oh, okay. All right, let’s see if we can do it.

So somebody on my feed that I posted the other day that, China’s, you know, trying to plan the first human mission to Mars by 2033. And my brain went, Okay, let’s see if we can do it by 2032. So I guess I’m kind of working on a 10 year plan to get the first humans to Mars by 2032. Maybe that includes me, maybe it doesn’t, I don’t know how all works out. I’m trying to just manifest it. And every day, I just kind of question like, what do we need to be doing to get there?

Right now we’re networking, and we’re breaking other glass ceilings. And, you know, I guess the other drive for the Top 62, you know, women in aerospace, naval aviation list and any future ones is almost kind of a recruiting effort is getting, you know, the message out there and the awareness like, Hey, we’re doing this thing. Does anybody else want to come do this thing with us? And I’m not real, too particular, on how exactly we do it, but let’s collaborate and you know, try to do right.

I’m also very cognizant and aware of like trying to not repeat mistakes in the past with colonialism. So I’ve spoken to some really cool other badasses out there, specifically, astrobiologists, who’s really kind of changed my idea on the colonialization concept and maybe going towards more exploration. But yeah, it just ties in a lot of different interests.

And I mean, colonization, going to space and the huge humans on Mars, draws in a lot of, one topic that I love is governance. I mean, one of my favorite games growing up was Risk. So, you know, everyone had a world dominance game, but also I played nation states and just setting up new ways of structuring societies and taking down those glass ceilings, seeing what we’ve got now on in the past, but also moving forward. But some technologies we’re working on AI and blockchain and DAO’s, if anybody out there is familiar with them, decentralized autonomous organizations. Those are the kind of deep techs we’re working with.

Excellent, excellent. And wouldn’t it be fantastic if the first humans to Mars was an all woman mission? Amazing. I know some people might say, Oh, well that’s not very inclusive. But hey, there’s been plenty of all male missions to space. Just a female mission will be badass.

I think it should be. First to the moon, all men? First to Mars? Let’s make it all women.

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. So Matt, here at Tesla, will want to be world chess champion, space startup. So it sounds to me like smashing glass ceilings is just second nature to you. And I know we’ve had a lot of conversations offline about, you know how mindset contributes to that. So after I ad break, I would love to dive in into that with you.  

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So Matt returning to our topic, and we’d be learning all about your your big, audacious goals smashing ceilings, and just I noticed you just have this very calm chilled out presence about you. And I’m kind of curious how that links to a mindset and your, you know, your attitude towards, you know, breaking some of these glass ceilings So, so tell me more about why you wanted to talk about mindset with me today.

It’s one of my favorite topics. I’m glad you asked. I’m glad we’re talking about it today, because I just could talk about, I mean, I could talk about almost anything for quite extensively, but especially mindsets, because since it is so important for everything.

I don’t know if it comes from the the Aloha background or the islands, I don’t know if that’s the chilled vibe that just naturally comes out. If I get it from my dad, or because he’s always a go with the flow. And like, he’s always, he’s always difficult to get ruffled.

But I mean, even if there is a natural draw towards it, and that, like in the Zen-ness it’s weird, because I don’t think I’ve ever felt it. I always feel like I’m always constantly like, not super Zen. And so every time somebody says “you’re very chill”, like, really, you think that? That’s cool.

Now, I don’t know how you got that because I’m like, way up here. So it definitely there is a practice to it. And I think with any natural talent, there is, there is a practice to like, if you do want to take it to the next level, there’s a practice to it.

You know, I get that from sports, I grew up playing baseball and a couple other things. And if you want to get better, I think it all did start with baseball, quite honestly. I was a pitcher. And that’s where I don’t know who taught me this. But before you know games where I knew I was pitching, I would go into the zone. And I would basically meditate and get ready for that and get my mind ready for it.

And they do say that baseball is a thinking man’s game and like, pitchers, specifically or thinking woman’s game, absolutely love to have some women in baseball and not just you know, softball, specifically, I think that’s kind of a glass ceiling a little bit there too. Could be busted. But it is certainly a practice.

And so just going from then to now, Spartan racing, chess to get to the next level. It’s always a mindset. And that’s what I always come back to. My parents raised me on the seven effective habits of you know, first to his children and seven effective habits of adults and I’ve got all these health books and all these things. And it just always seems and what I’ve learned from my studies on behavior, and particularly technically been writing a rogue underground behind the scenes dissertation on self-determination theory.

Oh, I’m just working on a dissertation. On top of everything else.

It’s always in the background. And I always forget that I’m doing it but it has gotten a good number of years now and a friend to point out maybe it’s from start, writing the conclusion. So I’m working on that. But when you’re looking at paradigm shifts, and actually achieving, and that’s what I think maybe the glass ceiling is a paradigm shift a little bit, you know, where people have to think, okay, that doesn’t have to be that way. It is all in our head. It’s not just all in our head, but like a lot of things that go on in the world and a lot of the barriers that we have, or just mental constructs that other people either put on you or that we put on each other, you wouldn’t even believe.

Totally agree. As you know, I’m an executive coach. And I’m very much specifically focused on mindset, particularly helping people rewrite their inner narrative so they can break through their glass ceilings.

And so, I have my views on, on what that looks like. And I totally agree with you on this whole, you know, we have our own glass ceiling as well as ones that society’s partners. But when you talk about shifting your mindset, you know, what specifically is Matt Higa talking about?

For me, since I do struggle, a little bit with anxiety and depression, sometimes you just get stuck in these either intrusive thoughts, or just recurring thoughts or these self-limiting beliefs that you’re just telling yourself all the time, so it is just purposely shifting into a different thought state, so I practice meditation and yoga a lot. And I’m getting focused on it, and specifically calling out the emotions or thoughts I want to have. So affirmations are a big thing for me, and literally writing things down and writing the goals.

And I mean, Pineapple EMPIRE is kind of an exercise and taking those down, and writing it out, writing a story. Recently, what I really did, I came across recently was a cool concept of how to write that story is imagining that you all already are the success and that currently right now, that you’re documenting that. You’re going back in time to see okay, what did you do to get there, and that’s kind of how I operate kind of backstroke through time.

With my clients, I have quite a few exercises that I do with them, where I will make them visualize what it’s going to look like when they get there. I mean, for me, it’s, it’s getting there means, you know, walking out onto a stage in front of 1000s. And, you know, being as influential as all these men out there, like, you know, Napoleon Hill and Jack Canfield and Tony Robbins, and all these people that people are always quoting, I want women there.

And so I like to think about that. And so I have my clients do the same, you know, what is it that you want? And what’s it gonna feel like when you’re going to get there? Because if you can visualize it, the brain doesn’t necessarily know the difference between what’s real and what’s imagined. And it just puts you on a completely different frequency.

I actually, as a scientist, I didn’t used to believe in all that I used to think, oh, that’s just woowoo BS, you know, what, why would I do that? And just a series of things have happened to me in my life, and particularly after I watched the movie, The Secret and I’m like, this stuff works. And, you know, it’s a mixture of, I think it’s a mixture of universe, and, you know, brain science, and, but I’m a convert.

And so, yeah, I’m kind of going off on a tangent right now, because I’m so excited about what we’re talking about. But I definitely buy into that. So, you know, what are the different thought states that you try to get into, in order to help you, you know, keep going after these big goals and, and get back up? Once you get knocked down? Like, what do you say you go after?

That’s a good one. Lately, I do have a flow coach that I’ve been working with. So literally actually practicing the flow in a very determined focused state. And so, what my meditations focus now on all the times that I have been in flow and trying to draw that energy back up and focusing on the emotions that I had then.

So I have a different, you know, a few different emotional energy states that I try to key in on whether it’s like, courage, or, you know, motivation, or sometimes excitement, or anything that, you know, really an energetic because of the anxiety and depression.

So I actually, you know, I, it depends, sometimes I do sleep a lot, I either sleep not at all or sleep a lot. So I got to drag myself out of the bed sometimes. And so sometimes it’s just around energy and getting going. And literally just visualizing what the success would look like, happiness and really trying to design that life in my head that you know, I’m trying to achieve or what those goals look like.

So, I do focus a lot on the courage and confidence types of affirmations or success types of affirmations and self-talk to combat those imposter syndrome, the anxiety, depression, thoughts where I’m like, telling myself. Those thoughts that are almost telling me, “you can’t do it. This is too scary. This is overwhelming, and you won’t ever get it”.

Versus “Why can’t you do it? Like why? Wouldn’t you do that you’ve already done it like, come on, you did? Get let’s get going.” Why not me?”  Yeah, why not me? Like it’s always the anxiety says like why you but the other question is just as valid, why not you? somebody has to do which is funny enough, the thought process had to go through right before I started, you know, launching the Top Women on LinkedIn and Aerospace initiative because I was like, “Why me? Like, I’m not alone, like Who am I to like even be an ally?

I don’t think I’ve even like spoken how like, you know, particularly, besides you know, some reshares on Instagram, this or that or the other thing is, “Who are you? Why do you? Why anything? Why should you go to space? Like why should you build the colony?”. But it’s also “why not? And who else? You know? Like I don’t see, you know, a lot of other people doing it. And there’s still a call for the Allies out there. So kind of almost answering a call to

Yeah, I love the phrase, “if not you who? If not now when?” And I actually do like the second part, “if not now when as well”. Because I think one of the things that people causes people to give up is that they, the stuff doesn’t happen for you straightaway, you have to wait a long period of time.

But when I was 14, I said one day, I’m going to live in America, I’m going to live in America, and I was dead set on that. When I was 29. I moved here. And then when I was 19, I said, Hey, one day, one day, I want to live by the water. I’ve been on vacation and by the water. And now guess what? 33 I’m not 33 now, but when I was 33, I bought a lake house. So now I live by the water.

And it’s interesting, I just find that the more and more I put out there and just have that faith that it will come back to me at some point, it does eventually happen. And there aren’t moments where I do get really scared. Like, you know, I worry about Leading Ladies Of…. I’m like, What if I can’t make everything I want it to be? what if it fails? but I try and snap myself out of that. So I can just keep keep focusing on the goal rather than what could go wrong.

So, and I know we’re getting close towards the end of my time here, Matt, but I would love to know, you know, what are some pieces of advice you would like to give our listeners on some little things you can do to help manage your mindset in order to help you go after those big goals and smash those ceilings?

I think I mean, we’ve touched on, you know, a couple of them already. One of my favorites, like I mentioned earlier, the whole like, documenting in reverse, like as if you’ve already been then kind of ties into the first, you know, the predecessor to that phrase, the one that guided me before that was the arrival arriving versus arrived mindset is like, you know, we’re always constantly seeking, oh, when I get there, when I do this, when I do that, when I become this one? What if you are already there like because if you think about it over time, like you are constantly making these daily steps.

And maybe it’s also important to you know, not discount your little victories every day, like constantly building yourself in the person you want to be. And at some point, whether you believe it or not, you have to arrive somewhere, technically, yeah. You know, it goes into the imposter syndrome. So, give yourself that credit. Take ownership of it, so that you can step into the new thing so that you can move into a new arriving thing. So you can figure something else to go for like, Well, when I get there, you can choose a new one. And just value the small daily things.

They’re not the sexiest your most badass day to day sometimes. But in the end, those small little, you know, pebbles, add up some pretty huge rocks and mountains in the end. And you’ll just kind of look back at that journey there. And it doesn’t have to be the end. But I mean, progress is progress.

I think it was Winston Churchill, who said, to improve is to change and to be perfect as to change often. And that’s just us all day, every day constantly changing and making those tweaks and fine tuning them. And don’t be too hard on yourself when because you got to be your own cheerleader. At the end of day as well. I mean, that’s what you have in your corner. And you got to be in your own corner. Because, you can rely on other people to be in your corner to some extent. But at the end of the day, it all comes back to you. And that’s where you got to push to you know, keep it going. And that’s you. You live with this person all day every day.

So I got this from one of my favorite YouTubers, Anna Akana. She says it’s just one of my favorites. Like “if you wouldn’t say that to your best friend, like why would you say to yourself?”

Absolutely. It’s time to stop beating ourselves up and start you know, clearing ourselves up instead. I like it. So, for our audience, document in reverse, imagine what it is like when you’re there. But remember to take credit along the way, think about how the journey is developing you, not just the destination, and be your own cheerleader.

And those are some wonderful pieces of advice, Matt, and really, really appreciate you being here and sharing that. And I’m sure all of you are wondering Top 62 to head over to Pineapple EMPIRE, head over to my LinkedIn page, head over to . And you can find out about all of this.

And we’re going to have more podcasts, interviewing the women from the top leg, the top women list. We have a whole bunch of them coming to speak at the Leading Ladies Of… of aerospace annual virtual summit on September 23. And you’ll even get to meet some of them at the after party. So stay tuned.

Follow us in all of our different areas, social media website, LinkedIn, YouTube, wherever it is, and more and more inspiration will come and hopefully YouTube will be sitting there saying, I think I’m a chief badass officer too.

Thanks for being here, Matt. And thanks for listening, everybody. We’ll see you soon.

About Matt

Matt Higa is on mission to smash glass ceilings by accelerating the world’s transition to the New Space Economy. With a mixed heritage background he has a unique outlier perspective on many intersecting worlds and disciplines.